With nearly one million medical cannabis caregivers licensed in the state, Michigan is an often undersung hub of cannabis culture, cultivation, and industry expertise.<\/p>\n
In an interview covering entrepreneurship and the Michigan marketplace, our podcast host TG Branfalt recently connected with Joseph Ori, a career lawyer and entrepreneur who co-founded Michigan\u2019s Six Labs<\/a>. In the following episode, Joseph discusses his pivot to the cannabis space, the company\u2019s scientific approach to cannabis cultivation, and the advantages of working with a versatile team. The interview also covers Six Labs\u2019 brand-building process, their prioritization of experience-focused cannabis products, and more.<\/p>\n Check out the full podcast episode below! You can also scroll further down to find a full transcript of the interview.<\/p>\n Commercial: This episode of The Ganjapreneur Podcast is made possible by AROYA, a comprehensive cannabis production platform for commercial growers. If you are a commercial cannabis grower, you can use AROYA to level up your production workflow. Featuring a combination of precision instruments and powerful software that help you intelligently cultivate dry and process cannabis, the AROYA cannabis production platform is your ticket to greater yields and consistent quality. Request a quote today online at aroya.io<\/a>. That\u2019s A-R-O-Y-A.io.<\/p>\n Cara Wietstock: Hi, I\u2019m Cara Wietstock, Culture Editor at Ganjapreneur and host of our YouTube show. Fresh Cut. The best way to understand cannabis business is to speak directly to those who work within it, and Fresh Cut was created to shine recognition on the people who fill these roles. In this interview series, we focus on those with their hands and the dirt, both literally and figuratively, from cultivators to budtenders, educators to advocates, activists to lobbyists. TG Branfalt: Hey there, I\u2019m your host, TG Branfalt, and thank you for listening to the Ganjapreneur.com Podcast, where we try to bring you actionable information in normalized cannabis through the stories of ganjapreneurs, activists, and industry stakeholders. Today, I am joined by Joseph Ori. He\u2019s the co-founder, General Counsel, and Government Relations for Six Labs, one of Michigan<\/a>\u2018s largest craft cannabis cultivators with a complete focus on quality and precision and a passion for advanced research development and technology. How you doing this afternoon, Joseph? A pleasure to have you.<\/p>\n Joseph Ori: I\u2019m doing great, TG. Thank you for having me. Really appreciate it.<\/p>\n TG Branfalt: As a lot of our listeners know, I actually spent a year in Detroit. I love the city. I was there when they legalized cannabis, but was not there when they actually started sales. I did go to a Cannabis Cup there, which is a story for another day that has been posted to the website, but before we discuss Six Labs and craft cannabis, which is really exciting, tell me about yourself, man. You obviously wear many hats for Six Labs, so tell me about what you do there and your background. How\u2019d you end up in the cannabis space?<\/p>\n Joseph Ori: Well, the cannabis space sort of called out to me, I think, but I have a background. I played sports competitively my whole life, and most of it was spent playing football toward the latter part of my teens, and then I ended up playing college football and I actually ended up with two back surgeries while in college. Back in the \u201990s, they were giving out Percocet and Oxycontin like it was candy and we, obviously, didn\u2019t know any of effects of those substances and the addictive quality. I was one of the lucky ones because I didn\u2019t react well to them and I was in an extreme amount of pain all of the time. I mean, I\u2019m talking back since I was\u2026 I don\u2019t want to date myself, but since I was 20.<\/p>\n I stumbled upon cannabis in college and, you know\u2026 Whereas, most people were using it just recreationally to have some fun. I started to notice that it was mediating my pain. Whereas, you drink alcohol and I\u2019d feel like shit the next day. I mean, I was completely dehydrated. My back would kill me even more. I\u2019d worry it was cannabis. It wasn\u2019t, so I became sort of self-medicating myself over the years. Then, as this industry grew and they started to actually acknowledge that there were medicinal qualities and sort of at the same time the parabola was going downward for opioids and all of the negative exposure that they rightly received, I said, \u201cI\u2019m a believer in this.\u201d<\/p>\n The opportunity presented itself to\u2026 You know, I\u2019ve been an investor in cannabis separately before Six Labs, and so an opportunity presented itself that Six Labs, I\u2019m sorry, that Michigan was opening up to a new set of rules and they were going to open up larger cultivators and go recreational<\/a> legal, and my partners and I saw an opportunity. We bought some land out there and we got it approved locally. We raised tons of money and got this thing off the ground. We\u2019re all in our\u2026 The challenge we had was\u2026 I tell people this a lot is that we\u2019re all in our 40s, so we\u2019re seasoned businessmen, and one of the things that comes with that is that you know what you\u2019re doing, how to run a business, and by that point in time in your life you know some people who\u2019ve got some wealth.<\/p>\n We were able to raise money and we were able to put together this company relatively easy in the sense that we all had a role. The challenge was that once it started to take off, we all had to leave our careers. My main bread-winning background was that I\u2019m a trial attorney for 25 years and I\u2019m also, again, a restaurateur. I\u2019ve owned record labels, been a sports agent. I\u2019ve done a lot of things in my life, but this was basically saying, \u201cOkay, you have to sort of take a step back from what we\u2019re doing every day.\u201d<\/p>\n My law firm, I\u2019ve had to put some people in place because I\u2019m the founder and owner of that law firm, but I\u2019ve had to put some people in place to sort of help me out and bring some younger attorneys up and make them partners and share the piece of the pie, so to speak, so it\u2019s been a journey. I mean, it\u2019s exciting and we\u2019re really happy with where we\u2019re sitting right now, but obviously, we say that in cannabis every year is like a dog year, I mean, every month is like a dog year, so we\u2019ll see how it goes.<\/p>\n TG Branfalt: No, I mean, this is a really incredible journey. Going back a little bit, you said that you were an investor in cannabis companies before you launched your own. Tell me about the\u2026 maybe not the companies that you invested in per se, but what drew you to those companies in that early stages.<\/p>\n Joseph Ori: Well, so what happened was is that Illinois<\/a> got in the game. I\u2019m not going to say they were the first ones, but the medical aspect of cannabis in Illinois was pretty early on. I was approached by several entities that was a couple of which are massive companies now and trying to get me to invest in their company, which I did. Then, I got approached by some other groups that actually wanted to do what we did, which is actually take a role in the company and get it off the ground and get licensed<\/a> in Illinois and sort of see where it took you.<\/p>\n I at that point in time was too ingrained in what I was doing professionally as a trial attorney and I had some very\u2026 I represent people who can\u2019t represent themselves, so I do catastrophic injury and I represent a lot of people who would never be able to pay me if they had to. I work for free unless I win, representing infants that are injured at birth and things like that and construction workers who are severely injured on the job. And I was ingrained in a lot of big cases. I couldn\u2019t walk away.<\/p>\n I kind of had that itch back then, and then sort of as I found myself five, six later with this opportunity in Michigan, it just made sense to do that at that time because I had surrounded by partners. My partners are guys I\u2019ve known for many, many years and it was really odd because one of the things as an entrepreneur<\/a> as I\u2019ve learned is it\u2019s one thing to have a great idea.<\/p>\n It\u2019s one thing to have a great plan and to get funded, but to have yourself surrounded out of the gate with people who you know and you trust\u2026 Also, I mean, if I tell you this you probably wouldn\u2019t believe it, but so what do you need to run a business? You need, well, we need an attorney. You\u2019re going to build something, you need a builder. If you\u2019re going to have finances, you need an accountant. If you need operations, you need a guy in those operations.<\/p>\n Well, all five of my partners, my other partners, had these. One of my partners is a certified accountant. He\u2019d had a background in banking<\/a>. I\u2019ve got another partner who was a builder and left his career as a builder to [crosstalk] build our facility. We\u2019ve got other guys who fell into place that were also key critical roles in the company, so we didn\u2019t really have to go outside of us to sort of have at least the nuts and bolts of building a business.<\/p>\n Now, learning cannabis space, totally different animal, and we needed to bring in the right people to sort of roll the cannabis and know what the market was. Funny thing is we have most of our partners are in our 40s. I actually turned 50 recently, but we have a young guy who\u2019s like 30 years old. He started with us when he was 27 and he\u2019s our cannabis guy, you know, so [crosstalk] he\u2019s our cannabis expert.<\/p>\n TG Branfalt: When you were searching for that cannabis guy, was the majority of the people younger?<\/p>\n Joseph Ori: Yeah, so one of the things that we learned right out of the gate, and this goes along with some of the things you and I were discussing before the podcast just separately, the image of this industry has changed. We started going out to find head of cultivation and head flower managers and veg managers. We first went and what we did was an immense amount of due diligence. Before we even stepped foot into this industry, we toured all over California<\/a>, Colorado<\/a>, Oregon<\/a>. We went to\u2026 We knocked on doors. We went into all the facilities we could get into, the cultivation facilities, crossing facilities, dispensaries. We wanted to know what was working and what wasn\u2019t working.<\/p>\n I\u2019m not going to name any names, but we saw some pretty deplorable situations out there and we said, \u201cOkay, so how are we going to separate ourselves from all of these people?\u201d We took notes and said, \u201cOkay, these are the things that seem to be working, and then let\u2019s look at where the new frontier is going to be in this industry.\u201d One of the things we were leaning toward was possibility, still exists, of the federal government legalizing<\/a> it. We thought, \u201cWell, if the federal government legalizes it and the FDA gets involved in as much as it addresses the medical side of this product,\u201d I don\u2019t even know if we call it a product, I guess we can call it a commodity, \u201cThen, we\u2019re going to have to meet certain standards.\u201d<\/p>\n We basically said, \u201cLet\u2019s build a facility that\u2019s forward-thinking and it may cost us more money than we want and most of these other facilities would cost us, but let\u2019s build it with forward-thinking technology. Let\u2019s build it. It could be retrofit with futuristic technology if need be.\u201d That\u2019s what we did. We did an extraordinary amount of homework and to be able to create and\u2026 I brag about this because we haven\u2019t been told anything differently. I mean, we have people come through our facility from other states and guys who know cannabis way more than the five of us when we started out, we\u2019ve been in the business for 10 years or so, they\u2019ve never seen anything like our facility. We continually get these accolades from people.<\/p>\n It\u2019s helped us because we\u2019ve landed some big licensing deals just based off of our operations and the way our facility appears. We\u2019re saying basically, to sum it up is, if the FDA gets involved and our cannabis doesn\u2019t pass whatever those regulations<\/a> may be, then no one else\u2019s is, and we said, \u201cSo that\u2019s what we wanted to do,\u201d and then [crosstalk] you know, that\u2019s what we\u2019re trying.<\/p>\n TG Branfalt: To your point with the FDA, I mean, I\u2019ve always sort of maintained that everyone\u2019s, \u201cOh, we want federal legalization,\u201d but I believe that they\u2019re just going to make it more onerous and a much sort of harder for current operators in states because federal regulations are going to be far behind those of the states at that point.<\/p>\n Joseph Ori: Yeah. I think it\u2019s really odd because I thought maybe with this new administration there was going to be a major push right away to do something and it\u2019s a little bit lagging more than I thought it was going to be. What I thought it was going to be, you know, federal legalization, I think what they\u2019re going to do is just they\u2019re going to ultimately reschedule it and they\u2019re going to leave it up states to do what they have to do, what they\u2019re currently doing, which is allowing their inside operations, the companies that are in their state, to build their industry. Then, I think it will be somewhat like\u2026 The real question will be interstate commerce, you know?<\/p>\n TG Branfalt: Yeah.<\/p>\n Joseph Ori: If you have Illinois, which is weird because we\u2019ve actually talked about this, so we have Illinois and Michigan, but we\u2019re not contiguous except unless you cross Lake Michigan. You have to go through Indiana to get to Michigan-<\/p>\n TG Branfalt: Yeah.<\/p>\n Joseph Ori: \u2026 and Indiana\u2019s not, you know, not going to go legal anytime soon. We\u2019re like, \u201cOkay, if we open up interstate commerce, are we\u2019re going to be able to cross over into Illinois through Indiana? Or can we take boats across Lake Michigan and go to Illinois and sell product? I mean, those are legitimate questions that-<\/p>\n TG Branfalt: Yeah.<\/p>\n Joseph Ori: \u2026 we have no idea, you know, what what\u2019s going to happen because barring true federal legalization where they just say, \u201cOkay, we\u2019re taking over control of this and here\u2019s what\u2019s going to happen,\u201d you don\u2019t really know how it\u2019s going to play it\u2019s self out.<\/p>\n I mean, alcohol sales have been largely kept outside of federal preemption. I\u2019m not trying to get too legal with you, but federal preemption basically says federal laws preempt state laws. Now, there\u2019s been exceptions to that. One of those has been alcohol. If you compare cannabis to alcohol, at least from a recreational standpoint, it would follow that they\u2019re going to leave it up to the states. This state says it\u2019s 18 years old, that state says it\u2019s 21, this state has restrictions on\u2026 and local municipalities on what can be sold, what times it can be sold, who it can be sold to and when and where. It still looks like it\u2019s always going to be maintained within the confines of each state, at least from my perspective.<\/p>\n TG Branfalt: No, and they\u2019ve done the same thing with cigarettes now in New York<\/a>. It\u2019s 21, so to your point, I do want to sort of switch gears a little bit and talk to you about sort of craft cannabis. Tell me how Six Labs and yourself defines craft cannabis.<\/p>\n Joseph Ori: That\u2019s a great question, so it\u2019s not synonymous with top shelf cannabis. Craft cannabis, we feel, is defined by four qualities, which is smell, flavor, experience, and appearance. Top shelf, usually we say the top shelf cannabis has to have at least high, high rankings on three of those fours. Whereas, craft cannabis, we\u2019ll have all four of them. The most important one, I think, is experience, and there\u2019s other distinguishing features that will make craft cannabis separate itself from top shelf, which is the terpene profiles, the potency, the cannabinoid profiles, and tolerance. When you get into tolerance is where I really think the difference is, is craft cannabis we say is like a craft wine. It\u2019s got different features.<\/p>\n Now, what we try to do is we say, \u201cIf you can create batches of cannabis that are consistent in smell, flavor, appearance, and most importantly experience, and also try to create profiles that will keep the user from growing a tolerance to it,\u201d so meaning if you take it\u2026 if you are an edible fan, you\u2019re taking a 10 milligram edible that\u2019s from flower. It\u2019s born of flower that it was craft flower. Or, you smoke a half gram pre-roll. Are you going to get the same effect and the same level of experience today as you will six months from now? Or, are you going to have to start smoking a whole gram? Or are you going to have to take two edibles?<\/p>\n We\u2019re trying to\u2026 We\u2019re basically saying the craft cannabis is always going to be, we believe, that it always will be special. It\u2019ll always have its own place, so what we kind of set out to do is said, \u201cYou know, we\u2019re going to try to spend and we have the ability with our facility to do that. We\u2019re going to try to make craft cannabis at a larger scale. We\u2019re going to try to compete with the guys who are making\u2026 who have a 3,000-square-foot grow or 5,000-square-foot grow, focus on a couple of strains and say, \u2018This is the craft cannabis, the best quality that you can possibly have.\u201d<\/p>\n We said, \u201cWe\u2019re going to try to do that in a larger scale. We\u2019re going to get that much attention. We\u2019re going to give it that much time, energy, and create a climate and an environment where we can do that at a larger scale.\u201d It\u2019s very challenging. We\u2019re trying to make it precise and as clean as possible, and precision is the main goal of our company.<\/p>\n TG Branfalt: You\u2019re the first person that I\u2019ve ever spoken to who put such an emphasis on experience. When you have these conversations with people, which you must do in order to be meeting these sort of goals, when you ask them, \u201cWhat experience are you looking for?\u201d, something like that, what\u2019s the response that you get most often?<\/p>\n Joseph Ori: I guess to answer that question, it\u2019s like if you\u2019re at a dinner party and you\u2019re with some friends and the subject of cannabis comes up, you\u2019re likely not talking about strain names because it gets confusing. One of the things, and I can say this, I\u2019ve been a customer for years and I was like, \u201cOkay, what does this even mean?\u201d It\u2019s basically trying to say, \u201cOkay, do we have the ability right now to say that you will have this specific experience from this strain?\u201d No, and what we\u2019ve learned, too, is that sativa, indica, and hybrid is really\u2026 There\u2019s no true sativa [inaudible]. Everything is sort of a hybrid. There\u2019s no true indica.<\/p>\n To say, \u201cOkay, well, one\u2019s going to kind of make you sleepy or tired and chilled out, the other one\u2019s going to give you energy, will allow you to maybe focus better,\u201d just based on strain is not really the truth. What they\u2019re realizing is the entourage effect of certain levels of terpenes and ratios of cannabinoids. THC is not necessarily the main thing. It\u2019s like it\u2019s still I see that there\u2019s\u2026 You can grow THC, high-potency THC product and you\u2019ll get tons of money for it even at the wholesale level. Everybody wants 28%, 30%, and I don\u2019t think that this industry\u2019s moving toward that. I think it\u2019s moving away from that. I think, you know-<\/p>\n TG Branfalt: Right.<\/p>\n Joseph Ori: \u2026 people don\u2019t want to get blown out of their minds necessarily. They would prefer to have an experience, so while we can\u2019t say that we have reached the point where I can tell you, \u201cHey, buy this and you\u2019re going to feel this,\u201d I think that what we are moving forward and we\u2019re working on a product line that\u2019s coming out.<\/p>\n We\u2019re a house of brands, so we have five products and we\u2019re working on a sixth. One of our products we\u2019re saying is going to be geared toward allowing you to select it based on what you want to do and to heighten that experience. If you\u2019re going to go\u2026 If you want to be creative, we\u2019re going to say, \u201cThis is going to help you be more creative. If you want to just chill out and watch a movie and not think, then this, this a strain\u2026 this is a product, not a strain, but this is a product that will heighten that experience. If you want to explore, this is a product that will heighten that experience.\u201d<\/p>\n Frankly, I think that there\u2019s something to be said for the possibility that there would be heightened sexual experiences with certain products. What we\u2019re trying to do is not tell because you can\u2019t, I don\u2019t think you can yet, like you tell the end user, \u201cYou are going to feel this way,\u201d every single one of them. I do think that we\u2019re at the point where we can say that, \u201cIf you\u2019re going to do this occasion-based, occasion-based, this is the product. You will have a better time doing this with that.\u201d That\u2019s what we\u2019re aiming for.<\/p>\n TG Branfalt: How do you R&D this, man?<\/p>\n Joseph Ori: Well [crosstalk] so you do\u2026 You know, you test it on your many employees. You sample a product. That\u2019s what we do, and it\u2019s not just simply that. We\u2019re\u2026 Israel has got a lot of research that comes out of there. They\u2019ve very, very passionate about it. More toward the medical, I\u2019ll be honest, but-<\/p>\n TG Branfalt: Yeah.<\/p>\n Joseph Ori: \u2026 but you learn a lot from the medical that you can garner and sort of follow the process of if you have a particular strain that is more leaning towards sativa and you can combine the terpene<\/a> profiles and the CBD ratios because those work against each other, and you can combine them together and consistently grow it with that ratio. You\u2019re going to\u2026 Like I said, you may have eight out of 10 people who use it and say they had a bad experience, and to be fair, it\u2019s like, okay, when I gave you my example with my opioid experience, I\u2019m one of\u2026 They\u2019ll give you a million things what the drug can do to you. Most people are just going to feel what it\u2019s supposed to, and they didn\u2019t tell you that a vast majority of people become addicted, but they also\u2026 Some people just don\u2019t feel well and some people have nausea and vomiting.<\/p>\n I don\u2019t think there\u2019s a single substance out in the world that\u2019s even been tested and approved by the FDA that can guarantee a specific feeling, but if you can do it to the extent where there\u2019s a vast majority of expectation, that you\u2019re likely to have this sensation when you utilize this particular product and you can rely on that and it works for you. I mean, let\u2019s face facts. The one beauty is that I think I read something recently that there\u2019s still not a single account of anyone dying from overdosing on cannabis.<\/p>\n TG Branfalt: Yeah. No, it\u2019s basically impossible.<\/p>\n Joseph Ori: Basically impossible, so you may have to try it and you may have to go out and buy it and say, \u201cOkay, well, hey, Six Labs is telling you they\u2019ve got this line of cannabis out here and this is what this is for your occasion-based.\u201d You say, \u201cI\u2019m going to try it.\u201d We think your result will be satisfaction. I think that\u2019s we\u2019re aiming for,<\/p>\n TG Branfalt: Moving things on a little bit, when I said at the top I\u2019ve been in Michigan and it was still medical and I went to a Cannabis Cup and I did get blown out of my mind by somebody with dabs. To your point, I do think that we are moving away of that sort of high-test stuff. I\u2019m a guy who\u2019s been smoking\u2026 using cannabis since I was 15, 16 years old, and now I much prefer five-milligram, 10-milligram edibles. Either I\u2019m getting old or I don\u2019t like to be as fucked up anymore.<\/p>\n Then, they legalized in 2016 the first Midwestern state to legalize recreationally. Obviously, they didn\u2019t get up and running before Illinois because Illinois just\u2026 Pritzker was like, \u201cWe\u2019re doing this, we\u2019re going it now.\u201d Tell me about Michigan\u2019s industry seven years after voters have approved the reforms. Is it where people think that it should be as an operator? Is it a satisfactory business climate?<\/p>\n Joseph Ori: You know, that\u2019s a tough question to answer and is broad of a term. Legal cannabis particularly in Michigan has in the initial stages struggled under the weight of pressure of scaling cultivation<\/a> and led to quality issues on the larger cultivation level, which allowed caregivers to sell to dispensaries<\/a> directly because they were the only ones who were making cannabis, creating cannabis that was available and that could be used.<\/p>\n It took a while to get the cultivators up and running, the larger cultivators, and the entire sector was slow to deliver the results that they expected. A lot of it\u2026 I think at one point in time not so long ago, about 70% of the larger cultivator cannabis wasn\u2019t passing testing<\/a>, so [crosstalk]-<\/p>\n TG Branfalt: 70%?<\/p>\n Joseph Ori: 70, yes-<\/p>\n TG Branfalt: That\u2019s unreal.<\/p>\n Joseph Ori: \u2026 so while the challenges were most pronounced then, I think today there\u2019s a difference. It\u2019s different now. THere\u2019s a lot of larger cultivators online. It\u2019s robust competition, but Michigan is like\u2026 Nobody understands this, man. Michigan has a long history rooted in cannabis. I mean, you know, when you-<\/p>\n TG Branfalt: Ann Arbor itself, I mean-<\/p>\n Joseph Ori: Yeah. It\u2019s unbelievable, man. It\u2019s almost like California. It\u2019s wild how deep-rooted cannabis use is in Michigan. The funny thing is like we\u2019re being challenged by a black market. There\u2019s the seizures at the border. I give it a little bit of fact. The seizures at the border in 2019 and 20, I\u2019m sorry, in early 2020 to late 2020 increased like 1800%. They were seizing massive truckloads of commercial-grade cannabis at the border coming in from Canada<\/a> because Canada can\u2019t get their shit straight.<\/p>\n They have so many companies out there that have so much product because they have a huge black market problem that they\u2019re shipping their high-quality packaged goods through the United States, the border of Michigan in Windsor. They\u2019re getting seized and guess what the penalty was in 2020? I don\u2019t think it\u2019s any different, not, man, in 2019. It was $5,000 fine per ton.<\/p>\n TG Branfalt: Per ton?<\/p>\n Joseph Ori: Per ton, so I mean, I like my chances. All right, if I\u2019m up in Canada, I\u2019m like, \u201cWell, you know what?\u201d Nobody was arrested according to these accounts I\u2019ve read and they were just sent back up to Canada and their passports were revoked to come to the United States, so I\u2019ll take my chances all day. That\u2019s what you\u2019re competing with, but you still see the sales going through the roof. We kind of look at it and we\u2019re like, \u201cMan, if they could just,\u201d so it\u2019s like everybody says about 70% is still black market cannabis being sold in, you know, in the United States in general, and then pretty close to that ratio in Michigan.<\/p>\n You\u2019re like, \u201cOkay, if we could just chip away 10% of these people,\u201d and the sales are still robust. Imagine what it would really be. We\u2019re hoping that with education<\/a> will come people saying, \u201cOkay, we\u2019re going to shift. We\u2019re not going to buy it from this black market dealer down the street. We\u2019re going to buy it from a licensed entity where it\u2019s highly tested, highly regulated and, oh, by the way, this company Six Labs says, \u2018Hey, we might have stuff that\u2019s more sensation\u2026 more occasion-based for you and you can rely on it and you can always know the consistency and you can always know the cleanliness.’\u201d<\/p>\n That\u2019s what we\u2019re hoping changes, but it\u2019s going to be some time before that changes. We look at alcohol. We\u2019re like, \u201cOkay, after Prohibition, there were still people making whiskey, moonshine.\u201d It took a long time and some government regulation and brands to really come out to do away with that type of mentality. I think we\u2019re a ways away, but it\u2019s growing in the sense that there\u2019s\u2026 I mean, I think in Illinois we\u2019re actually waiting for our grow license award, which has been over a year since we had it pending and COVID and a bunch of host-<\/p>\n TG Branfalt: Yeah.<\/p>\nListen to the podcast:<\/h3>\n\n
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